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  1. How FAT Is Fat?

    The more you measure that 357 the better it gets! Narrow necks are great, I wonder if the 12'th fret neck width is different on other Heritage models? Yeah, to the original question, .90+ to 1.0 is usually considered fat/thick. .80/5 to .90/5 medium and less than that slim in the Gibsoney world.
  2. Change at Heritage Guitar

    The CNC doesn't save bandsaw time, the guitar is still rough cut before it hits a CNC. The CNC can then perform finer routs/contours/etc that are, in fact, repeatable to a pretty high tolerance. Whereas the Heritage process of a rough route and a heavy sand (before fine sanding) leaves the body routes/carves to be up to each individual doing the work thus the results differ, there'd be no point to a CNC if it was simply to rough cut when a cheap carving tool will to that just fine. Anyways, I spent two hours on the phone the other day with some guy telling me about "needs 3 techs because no one can cut a nut right and only one guy can do frets" bla bla bla, just went on and on, because he was interested in a strat I had for sale because strats are his "hobby." Amazing stuff, I've been playing 26 years and not had all these insane issues with hundreds of guitars coming in and out that some of these guys have. I guess I should be happy about that, lol. Hell, I just bought a junk box Epi flat top at the pawner for $100 on Monday, tiny hump at neck join, dirty as hell, way out of whack, an hour later with just a set of files, steel wool, leveling beam, string winder & cutter now it's smooth as butter, used it at rehearsal last night too. I mean, this sucker was in disarray and it was nothing to resolve. In a factory setting where it was new it's a nothing process and basically one guy's job. If that guy can't cut it, find someone who does then document the string height & relief with a couple short pics, then a 10 second vid playing the chromatic scale, then sent the guitar out that you have evidence on your end. It just boggles my mind how "unobtainable" the simple stuff is in some people's minds, you have to wonder if they ever spent an hour with the stew mac 101 book, it's trivial stuff.
  3. Wraparound bridge on H150

    Good luck but, yeah, I agree with others, I'd only wrap tail if it was a beat up carcass getting a top refin etc. That said, it'd be nice to see more wrap tail H-150's in the new lineup with 'buckers or P90's.
  4. Heritage Nitro Finish Question

    Industry wide the term "cure" for lacquer is used in a very different context than it is for enamels/latex/etc all across from literature to word of mouth so if that bugs you you're not gonna have a good time pretty often, lol. As in, "cured enough" to sand/handle/etc even though it never technically cures in the sense that other materials do.
  5. Which would you rather?

    I don't know, it really depends on what happens with A & B in terms of what they build and how they do it. If after the current year of Heritage tooling down they come back in 2019 with custom ordering and more archtops again along with more surprises I'd rather see Heritage continue. I want a soft tool company that will build a variety of models, including arches (if not add flats & mandolins), for a reasonable price alongside bread & butter stuff. Gibson Custom is basically a mass production guitar factory but if you want anything remotely "custom" be ready to rob a bank. A new Gibson Super 400 starts at $16,000, think about that for a minute! Gibson Custom means buh bye Heritage in more ways than just the headstock.
  6. Heritage Nitro Finish Question

    You can still get the same basic "McFadden formula" if you're counting the cured finish, the solvents are a bit different but that only effects the curing process. Manufacturers these days are more worried about of finish stability because of returns/etc so the modern softer formulas are everywhere. Lots of makeover people use formulas such as "Behlen Qualalacq" which yellows pretty early, under the right conditions dries brittle like glass and is VOC compliant nationwide.
  7. Heritage Nitro Finish Question

    Great pic! I gotta admit, the OCD in me would definitely change that if I ran things too. "Uh, fellas, can we label the jars? How about each container has a logical place, you know, on a shelf, where everyone knows where it's at? How about leaving these tools in some thinner so they're clean for the next use?" There's a book written by a former Fender head of operations, he said when Leo hired him in the 50's his first and biggest task was "to organize everything in the work shops so people knew where the heck stuff was, we were losing hundreds of man hours just in looking for things."
  8. Heritage Nitro Finish Question

    I don't know anything about the issues but, yeah, every Heritage I had the finish was done right. By that, I mean, incredibly thin on close inspection but at the same time perfectly even with a high gloss not to mention the shading on the 'bursts was just sublime in terms of symmetry. Getting a lacquer finish that good is a dying art. No faux drying methods, just wait until it cures and when sanding be very careful & very patient because it's much easier to sand through the lacquer than it is other modern finish materials then....rinse and repeat! That's one of those things that's sadly going away thanks to modern production etc but thankfully that's still the process at Heritage. Meanwhile folks are buying "VOS" from Gibson Custom to which you get the finely finished with steel wool look and the more uneven the shading the more "vintage correct" it is thanks to natural fading over time. It's sloppy-proof! No perfection needed! But, when those guitars were new in the 50's you got a thinner perfectly shaded high gloss lacquer finish the way Heritage does it today. We go out and buy guitars then brag about the "perfect _____" then forget just how much time the other company saved by bucking tradition, for better or worse. The new finishes (2017+) don't look any thicker in the photos (??) but's it's near impossible to tell online anyways. I wish some company would go full old school though and spray with old fashioned junk lacquer & fading dyes then put a sign on the packaging "This guitar was finished like guitars selling for 300 thousand dollars, with a lacquer formula that will yellow, check, wear in and colors that will fade, all excessively so in the first years of ownership. If you the buyer don't want this please get a different guitar."
  9. Support the brand

    The dust will settle and it WILL balance out, no doubt. Layoffs, lineup changes, other stuff and much of it brand new to long time Heritage followers including myself. Guitars are still being built and probably quite well. This isn't about free speech IMO, it's a private forum and that's not a requirement, but this is about offering a space where users can be relatively honest regarding their thoughts/experiences/etc with all things Heritage. Whether it's the company direction or a roller bridge, calling for moderating criticisms/reactions is over the top IMO and certainly isn't how most fan sites operate in my experience. I guess if that's what you want I can tell you one thing....if ya can't vent here there's plenty of sites/avenues to vent at with much higher traffic/viewership than this forum, if that's what you want that's what will happen. Look elsewhere, one company just built a Strat and people are flipping their **** over it, talk about overreaction. Makes the HOC look like The Honorable Gentleman/Ladies Club by comparison.
  10. Support the brand

    I love living in Nashville because I've run into and made guitar buddies with lots of old school road dog guys who've seen it all, along with current union guys and the dudes I play with. There are no rules, everybody is different, same goes for all my buds back in Chicago on the Jazz and Rock scene. It's pretty rare to meet a versatile dude who has 5+ guitars and they all have the same neck profile, okay, very rare?? Maybe Vince Gill, he does that stuff. Personally, I love them in all shapes and sizes, no neck profile ever kept me from dumping a good guitar, yet, my stable is all over the map. I can say, I've owned vintage and new Gibsons, vintage Epiphones, Heritage, late 70's high end MIJ clones/builds from Aria/Tokai/Greco/Burny/Ibanez, along with playing D'Angelico's, and have played Triggs, Yaron and a few other fancy builder's guitars and can assure folks that damn near every one with Fret Edge binding (with rare exception) there are signs of hand scraping and filing marks up the neck. Some real obvious, other less so, but always signs of it. The only time I don't see it is when the binding is super duper thin (LP reissues) so it's less noticeable or on the USA Gibsons when they had a machine that could do it for a while, in fact, those looked a bit creepy. Fret edge binding used to be a sign that they were going the extra mile since it's a PITA (especially on MIJ guitars), now in the internet age it's a sign of poor workmanship Any guitar with it should come with a warning label.
  11. Support the brand

    I believe the great Walter Sobchak once stated "I'm talking about drawing a line here Dude, and across this line you do not..." Everyone has a different line, whether it's where it's built, or how employees are treated, or what it's made of, or what the guitar looks like, etc etc etc. It's important as consumers and/or fanatics to voice those beliefs especially when they differ. When, and where they can, I've even seen the biggest companies take note and make positive changes on occasion.
  12. What Made Heritage Different.....

    There's a couple 2017 vids out there, ain't got the same "mojo" without the old factory but FWIW they haven't changed much about how the guitars a built other than all the common sense stuff like organized materials, work flow, proper ventilation/protection, etc, dunno about the wood treatment/seasoning part though. Still using mostly all the old tools and processes. Meng has stated multiple times there's no CNC machines in the works for Heritage either so that's good to hear. It'll be a challenge though, getting the little visuals things up to par while keeping human error to a minimum, experience is the best ingredient. Here's another old article, circa 2008, that's probably been posted before: http://www.encorekalamazoo.com/files-encore/past-issues/2008/encore-january-2008.pdf This one has a pic of the legendary Floyd Newton (RIP) in it too!
  13. Besides the pickups, it sounds like that guitar has what I call "spank," I dunno what it is but some lester types got it, some don't.
  14. Not sure if this is @rockabilly69 same fiddle as he's had a few H150's but every time I look for a Heritage on the TGP his media album comes up but he posted a description a few years back about the mods to one of his H150's:
  15. One time, sort of but not really. Surprised to see all these issues posted, except for file/scrape on fret edge binding lol, been out the game too long. Probably 4 years ago or so in my quest for the right ES, an H535 "Brand New" from someone who had a few new Heritages listed online. Anyways, make a $100 off offer, no counter offer, just a rude message back with an offer cancel, seriously. I'm thinking "why list with offers in the first place?" After a few weeks, it's still my favorite online (because we all know how that is) model so I take the plunge and just buy it anyways. I send the guy a message "hey, do you mind detuning the strings a bit before shipping and can you shoot me a ups/fedex tracking # when you ship? thanks!" Reason being, I was in Chicago at the time and USPS in my district was shady as hell, screwing things up left and right. 5 days go by, no response, I come home one night and by some miracle the box is sitting in the stairwell of our apartment complex, beat to hell but there by the grace of a good person as there's no access into the building and anything left outside...well, it's the city thus I always made sure to know what day a guitar would arrive. The guy sent it USPS too, the box wasn't even a guitar box and was oversized on all sides with the case flopping around in it, it was not detuned either when I opened it up. Luckily, the guitar looked great but I straight up played a few notes then packed it back up in a different case with bubble wrap etc and sent it back along with a message to the seller about right of return. I was just so pissed off with the guy's pawn shop service and should have learned my lesson after making the initial offer. I ate the return shipping too.