Markohio2112 Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Folks, Finally got to play my new H150cm today for the first time and did some setup tweeks etc. I may get some heat for my next comment but here it is: Grover Rotomatics are junk, and gots to go. Anybody know if the screw hole on the Schaller line up with the Grover's that came stock? There is not a drawing that I can find that measure the center of the post to the center of the screw. Anyway when these come off someone can have them for nothing or I will let my son smash them with a ball peen hammer. Thanks, Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Can't help with your Schaller question but TonePros Kluson tulip tuners use the Grover screw-hole and require one more drilled per tuner. An easy, good-looking swap out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davesultra Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Schallers have a different screw pattern. Grover tuners , while not my favorites, have never failed me. The tonepros kluson style are a great alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58super Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 You don't even have to drill the extra hole with the Klusons or Grover version thereof. They are stable with the one screw and its easy to return the guitar to stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markohio2112 Posted November 23, 2013 Author Share Posted November 23, 2013 Thanks guys, I dont know if Grover has off-shored production but in the last 10 years they have been horrible. I don't like to bash products because tastes vary amongst us all, but these bad boys just aint cutting it. Im going to look at the Kluson by tone pro's. My wife is going to kill me for spending more money on this guitar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulk1 Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 Thanks guys, I dont know if Grover has off-shored production but in the last 10 years they have been horrible. I don't like to bash products because tastes vary amongst us all, but these bad boys just aint cutting it. Im going to look at the Kluson by tone pro's. My wife is going to kill me for spending more money on this guitar. So, I'm thinking .... if she does you in because you spent more on the guitar, then you're not going to be needing it? ......... Not sure what it is that you don't like about the Grovers. And are you sure they're stock? I like H's idea of the tulip style. I have those on two of my custom Heritages. And seriously, as you've mentioned yourself, different tastes for us all. Need pics when you get them puppies swapped out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
111518 Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 Folks, Finally got to play my new H150cm today for the first time and did some setup tweeks etc. I may get some heat for my next comment but here it is: Grover Rotomatics are junk, and gots to go. Anybody know if the screw hole on the Schaller line up with the Grover's that came stock? There is not a drawing that I can find that measure the center of the post to the center of the screw. Anyway when these come off someone can have them for nothing or I will let my son smash them with a ball peen hammer. Thanks, Mark Grover production has been off-shored (as have most tuners), but I don't have particular experience with the quality of their new products. I think the Stew Mac page has the dimensions that you are looking for. If you go to the tuner you are interested in, at the bottom of the screen is a "spec" button which will take you to a measured drawing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markohio2112 Posted November 25, 2013 Author Share Posted November 25, 2013 So, I'm thinking .... if she does you in because you spent more on the guitar, then you're not going to be needing it? ......... Not sure what it is that you don't like about the Grovers. And are you sure they're stock? I like H's idea of the tulip style. I have those on two of my custom Heritages. And seriously, as you've mentioned yourself, different tastes for us all. Need pics when you get them puppies swapped out. They are stock. The guitar is a 2013 wine burst from Wolfe in Florida. The issue with the Grovers is the buttons are sloppy on the posts. I guess i never had much luck with them compared to Gotoh and German Schaller's. You know the Germans make good stuff just look at the Sham-wow. LOL When these come off they are free for the taking, just let me know who wants them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 There's a screw at the top of the button - have you tried tightening that? It might reduce the play in the button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuz Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 There's a screw at the top of the button - have you tried tightening that? It might reduce the play in the button. +1 tighten and they probably will work fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidsmoke Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 You don't even have to drill the extra hole with the Klusons or Grover version thereof. They are stable with the one screw and its easy to return the guitar to stock. Hmmmm...I did the swap to Klusons on my 535, love the Klusons, didn't know this was possible. Thanks for the tip. Agreed on the Grovers...they're not my favorite cosmetically, but functionally, I've not experienced any quality issues with the 4 sets of Rotomatics I've had, and now I've got the locking Roto's... mine have spanned 20 years as OEM on some very high end guitars, acoustic and electric. Hope you get it resolved. Congrats on the guitar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58super Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 I remember hearing stories in the 80's that just before the Grover production moved to Korea that OEMs would have to sort through the Grovers to remove the bad ones before using them on guitars. I've never had a bad foreign produced one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markohio2112 Posted December 2, 2013 Author Share Posted December 2, 2013 Well folks, I went with a set of Gotoh 18:1 Grover replacements, zero slop and no new holes to add they dropped right in. These actually have the same button as the Grover's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobrafast1 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 I put a set of Grover Locking tuners on my H150. Holes lined up great and it tunes like a dream. The originals are junk in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectrum13 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 They are Groovers, Grovers are where fruit comes from. Right Slammer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HRB853370 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 They are Groovers, Grovers are where fruit comes from. Right Slammer? Right on Spectrum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billgelder Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 They are Groovers, Grovers are where fruit comes from. Right Slammer? Groves are where fruit comes from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58super Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Groves are where fruit comes from. Gee that brings back memories. We sold Indian River fruit to fund a high school band trip more than 30 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterbright Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 We sold them at our Kiwanis Club in Cape Coral Florida. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunote Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Well folks, I went with a set of Gotoh 18:1 Grover replacements, zero slop and no new holes to add they dropped right in. These actually have the same button as the Grover's. I've got a set of the Gotoh's on my Eastman acoustic. Very smooth operation, precise, and the guitar stays in tune with them. It's good to know they're a direct replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markohio2112 Posted December 6, 2013 Author Share Posted December 6, 2013 I've got a set of the Gotoh's on my Eastman acoustic. Very smooth operation, precise, and the guitar stays in tune with them. It's good to know they're a direct replacement. Yes, direct fit. Got them from Allparts,18:1 smooth like butter and no slop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingfiddle Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Good to know the Gotohs fit. I love Gotohs for quality. My Johnny Smith has Grover Rotomatics and I had to get replacements for three of them from Heritage early in the guitar's life. Because they're black, I bought a new set to have as spares (back in 1998) and recently had to replace a couple more with tuners from that set. Next time it'll be Gotohs. Off shore, job killing, poor quality, bad business! Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markohio2112 Posted December 20, 2013 Author Share Posted December 20, 2013 Good to know the Gotohs fit. I love Gotohs for quality. My Johnny Smith has Grover Rotomatics and I had to get replacements for three of them from Heritage early in the guitar's life. Because they're black, I bought a new set to have as spares (back in 1998) and recently had to replace a couple more with tuners from that set. Next time it'll be Gotohs. Off shore, job killing, poor quality, bad business! Doug Funny thing, I offered up the roto's I took off free to the first asker. Nobody took me up on the the deal so I donated them to a luthier buddy of mine. You will like the Gotoh's, very smooth and zero slop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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