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Here is how Heritage could sell more guitars (Warning: another headstock discussion!)

Jazzpunk

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JeffB Experienced

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How about those who say, "Well, if you axe me..."

 

Well, I'd like to axe you for butchering the English language! It's "ASK!"

 

 

Other pet peeves: "Irregardless" when it's supposed to be "regardless."

 

 

Those who say "It is an historic event." No, it's "a historic event!"

 

 

Sorry...just rambling.

 

Now...really...back to your discussion!

irregardless has its own wiki page. My Grandfather used to berate me everytime I said it. Id say it just to annoy him.

Irregardless of what you think Pop, the All Blacks are going to choke in the last 15minutes B)

sorry for the hijack.

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I wish people would stop saying "I could care less" when they really mean "I couldn't care less." If you could care less, that means you care about whatever it is you are trying to say you don't care about. Not picking on any one person, and certainly not limiting it to the HOC; this happens all over "teh interwebz." Oh, and another one that drives me absolutely batshit crazy is "for all intensive purposes." No, it is "for all intents and purposes."

 

Back to your regularly scheduled thread.

Well, 'couldn't care less' doesn't necessarily mean that the person doesn't care. It just states that they couldn't, if they tried, care less about whatever it is than they currently do. What if they do care a great deal already? :P

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Well, 'couldn't care less' doesn't necessarily mean that the person doesn't care. It just states that they couldn't, if they tried, care less about whatever it is than they currently do. What if they do care a great deal already? :P

Maybe they are apathetic and could care less but cant be bothered.

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I wish people would stop saying "I could care less" when they really mean "I couldn't care less." If you could care less, that means you care about whatever it is you are trying to say you don't care about. Not picking on any one person, and certainly not limiting it to the HOC; this happens all over "teh interwebz." Oh, and another one that drives me absolutely batshit crazy is "for all intensive purposes." No, it is "for all intents and purposes."

 

 

irregardless has its own wiki page. My Grandfather used to berate me everytime I said it. Id say it just to annoy him.

Irregardless of what you think Pop, the All Blacks are going to choke in the last 15minutes :P

 

 

Well, 'couldn't care less' doesn't necessarily mean that the person doesn't care. It just states that they couldn't, if they tried, care less about whatever it is than they currently do. What if they do care a great deal already? :P

 

You guys got together and planned this, didn't you? To distract everybody. I think it's working. Although I could, actually, care less; not much less, but a little.

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Wow - as I post this there are 8 users reading this thread. I've never seen so many at once. Headstock must be an important subject.

 

I didn't go to Headstock, but saw the movie - my favorite part was Jimi playing star spangled banner.

 

Oh, wait...

 

 

Anyway - like 'em functional. They look good, too.

 

heritagehoc148.jpg

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How about those who say, "Well, if you axe me..."

 

Well, I'd like to axe you for butchering the English language! It's "ASK!"

 

Given William Shakespeare's place as an arbiter of the employ of English, it's more than a little ironic the pronunciation of "ask" as "axe," common to African-American dialect, is a convention of Elizabethan/Shakespearean English. Granted it was considered colloquial, particular to those from a particular part of London, who crewed the slave ships which made the "Middle Passage." Its presence in African-American dialect is a vestige of those captured for the slave trade, whose first exposure to the English language in the 17th Century was that spoken by crew on slave ships.

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Given William Shakespeare's place as an arbiter of the employ of English, it's more than a little ironic the pronunciation of "ask" as "axe," common to African-American dialect, is a convention of Elizabethan/Shakespearean English. Granted it was considered colloquial, particular to those from a particular part of London, who crewed the slave ships which made the "Middle Passage." Its presence in African-American dialect is a vestige of those captured for the slave trade, whose first exposure to the English language in the 17th Century was that spoken by crew on slave ships.

Interesting, if a bit off (original) topic :P ,

I had not heard this before, ......just when you think you're safe.... you get educated..

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I had a Steinberger. It was a GP model with the S trem (non-transposing); the maple bodied job with bolt on graphite neck. Had been modded to have a H-S-H with a 'blend' knob to add the middle single-coil to whatever you had going on between the humbuckers on the outside. I never should have sold that thing; it was fantabulous for playing while sitting.

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Back in the Pleistocene Era, I had a Steinberger GL-4T, which was the little paddle-shaped guitar with the graphite composite construction and the Trans-Trem. It was a cool guitar, but the Trans-Trem on mine was out of whack and I couldn't find anyone who knew how to work on it in Portland, Oregon. This was, of course, long before the dawn of the Internet. It was an amazing little piece of tech, though. Small and light, but sturdy enough that the neck never went out of alignment--heck, you could probably drive over the damned thing and still play it. The downsides were having to buy the double-ball strings, as well as the fussiness of the trem. The zillions of little adjustments were all you needed to see in order to know that Ned Steinberger was an engineer and not a guitar player.

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I was trepidatious about bringing this back to headstock questions...

I see validity in both sides of the discussion.

But I will say that as I was flipping through a photographic history of American guitars last night, there weren't many headstocks that I liked much better.

And lots of comments here indicate that binding and inlays make it more appealing to some.

And while I could see the appeal of a larger and more flowing style, I'd tend to want to see it to sell more high-end or limited production models. (just the business side of myself thinking)

I've no problem with the way it is, I've grown to love it....

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For reasons unbeknown even to myself, I am going to try and qualify my original post one last time. :P

 

Brent stated that he had heard from multiple sources that Heritage was doing really bad (I've now learned to wait to hear it from the horses mouth before reacting but that's another issue altogether). That scared the bejeebers out of me and I panicked!

 

I never, ever would have posted this topic on this forum otherwise.

 

Barry made the comment that changing the headstock would be akin to admitting defeat. Sorry but in my book, closing the doors at Parson's St. would actually be defeat. I really love my Heritage guitars and as it was made to sound like the boat may be sinking, I figured there could be no harm in posting what I believed to be a potential market for boosting sales.

 

I do not give a rat's behind about getting a larger market, about fitting in, about being trendy or any of the other nonsense flung back in my direction. My only concern was that Heritage may be going under. Had that actually been the case than I would think that all options as to how to keep them afloat should be considered.

 

How the motivation behind my initial post could've been lost on so many here is really beyond me. :P

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Relax.

 

My statement was purposefully bold about being akin to defeat. Surely closing the doors is defeat for the business. As artisans, however, giving up on a design you believe in for the sake of money or sales... that could also be defeat. That is what I was driving at. Sorry if i didn't make that more clear. Internet discourse often runs off the tracks.

 

Regardless, I think this has been a mostly (there were really only a few posts that really got out of line) healthy debate on this annual topic. My opinion.

 

Besides, you can't post anything on a forum and expect it to run a straight line or for people to take what you wrote as what you intended. Never seen any forum work any other way.

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Brent stated that he had heard from multiple sources that Heritage was doing really bad (I've now learned to wait to hear it from the horses mouth before reacting but that's another issue altogether). That scared the bejeebers out of me and I panicked!

 

I never, ever would have posted this topic on this forum otherwise.

 

 

I have heard many views from a few different sources...they have seen better times...that's probably a mild way of putting it.

 

 

i didnt exacly say they were in dire straits....i just said that they had seen better times. i think you thread has opened some eyes and is actually been a nice addition. there is no need for you to feel bad.

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i didnt exacly say they were in dire straits....i just said that they had seen better times. i think you thread has opened some eyes and is actually been a nice addition. there is no need for you to feel bad.

 

Thanks Brent.

 

BTW, why don't we have the option to delete our own threads on this forum lol? :P

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Thanks Brent.

 

BTW, why don't we have the option to delete our own threads on this forum lol? :P

 

 

i think the admin likes to keep everything intact for historical reasons....its nice to go back sometimes and reference certain topics...

 

 

except Sweedish porn

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For reasons unbeknown even to myself, I am going to try and qualify my original post one last time. :D

 

Brent stated that he had heard from multiple sources that Heritage was doing really bad (I've now learned to wait to hear it from the horses mouth before reacting but that's another issue altogether). That scared the bejeebers out of me and I panicked!

 

I never, ever would have posted this topic on this forum otherwise.

 

Barry made the comment that changing the headstock would be akin to admitting defeat. Sorry but in my book, closing the doors at Parson's St. would actually be defeat. I really love my Heritage guitars and as it was made to sound like the boat may be sinking, I figured there could be no harm in posting what I believed to be a potential market for boosting sales.

 

I do not give a rat's behind about getting a larger market, about fitting in, about being trendy or any of the other nonsense flung back in my direction. My only concern was that Heritage may be going under. Had that actually been the case than I would think that all options as to how to keep them afloat should be considered.

 

How the motivation behind my initial post could've been lost on so many here is really beyond me. :D

 

I for one LOVE your passion. You have demonstrated (like most of us here) your love for Heritage guitars.

 

I tried to read every thread in this post, and haven't read (maybe I skim read a little too quick) any arrows slung specifically at you. I think it was more of the concept that "we need to change the headstock to be cool or to assimilate into other peoples cool perceptions of what a headstock needs to look like".

 

And now I am glad that you posted the above because I understand you were merely trying to help if the boat was sinking.

 

I am glad to hear from Bill Paige and confirmed by Jay that the boat is floating fine in rough waters!

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