schundog Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 I don't like the look, I don't like the feel, I don't like the scratching it will do, and I simply don't feel the need to run the strings backwards through the tailpiece and wrapped over the top! There, I got that off my chest; I feel much better. Now get off my lawn!!! Haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yooper Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Finally someone with the courage to speak out on this sensitive subject! The makers of Heritage and Gibson agree. It's not necessary with a separate tailpiece and bridge. But since Duane did it....well, we all want to be cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuz Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 I don't like the look, I don't like the feel, I don't like the scratching it will do, and I simply don't feel the need to run the strings backwards through the tailpiece and wrapped over the top! There, I got that off my chest; I feel much better. Now get off my lawn!!! Haha Amen Brother, preach on!!!! I am DEFINITELY with you on this one. And I will also add, it leads to poor luthier skills. A guitar with a proper neck angle doesn't need a top wrap for it to intonate without hitting the back of the TOM bridge or having the stoptail jacked up off the body. If you buy a top wrapped guitar, you are not going to know if the guitar will intonate without the strings hitting the back of the bridge or without having to jacked up the stoptail off the body. Brian, I am all in with you on this one, but I feel we are going to be in the minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yooper Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Since I'm not that cool, we are unanimous so far. The top-wrappers will be coming out of the woodwork soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conneazoo Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 I'll keep it. I don't like the look or the feel. Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conneazoo Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 That should say "I'll keep it unanimous." Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoslate Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Ever the iconoclast, and short cut across lawns taker, I have clearly duped myself into thinking top-wrapping makes for a better feel. I have no science to back this up, none, only the subjective assurance of confident self-delusion...and the pleasure of interrupting the unanimity. Thanks for the setup, Brian! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuz Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Rob, I know you are a top-wrap guy, and I thought of you while typing my initial reply. This doesn't make you a bad individual, and certainly not a bad player. Quite the contrary, you are one of the best players on this or any site. BUT...... I still think you can be saved from your top-wrapping psychosis!!! (LOL, j/k, ha-ha, )!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gitfiddler Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 I've never top wrapped a guitar that came with a t.o.m. bridge. I tend to leave a guitar's hardware alone unless there is a playability or setup issue. If the builder wanted it to be top wrapped they could have used that type of bridge (i.e. my personal favorite, Tone Pro AVT2). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schundog Posted September 4, 2016 Author Share Posted September 4, 2016 Ever the iconoclast, and short cut across lawns taker, I have clearly duped myself into thinking top-wrapping makes for a better feel. I have no science to back this up, none, only the subjective assurance of confident self-delusion...and the pleasure of interrupting the unanimity. Thanks for the setup, Brian! Well, Rob, I don't have any science to back up my opinion, either, but I'm willing to sell my soul and change my mind on the subject if I can be guaranteed 1/10 your talent and level of cool/hipness. You Sir, are slightly cooler than ice..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzy Posted September 5, 2016 Share Posted September 5, 2016 Oh, the Humanity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big bob Posted September 5, 2016 Share Posted September 5, 2016 I top wrap all my guitars w/o bigsbys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schundog Posted September 5, 2016 Author Share Posted September 5, 2016 I top wrap all my guitars w/o bigsbys. I love you like a brother, Lance, but the only thing that bothers me more than top wraps would be Bigsbys!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brentrocks Posted September 5, 2016 Share Posted September 5, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schundog Posted September 5, 2016 Author Share Posted September 5, 2016 Smokin' guitar, buddy, but, well, ya know.... This is all meant in good fun; to each their own, YMMV, etc. I simply don't care for the look/feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoslate Posted September 5, 2016 Share Posted September 5, 2016 You Sir, are slightly cooler than ice..... Comes with the age. Blood thins, metabolism slows, lots of inactivity. I wear a cardigan most of the time now. Run the heat up in winter. Wear a union suit...and a hat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulk1 Posted September 5, 2016 Share Posted September 5, 2016 Ever the iconoclast, and short cut across lawns taker, I have clearly duped myself into thinking top-wrapping makes for a better feel. I have no science to back this up, none, only the subjective assurance of confident self-delusion...and the pleasure of interrupting the unanimity. Thanks for the setup, Brian! Stay off the grass, son!! Personally, I don't care one whit which way the strings be strung. If they sound good, intonate properly and don't break ... I'm good with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pressure Posted September 5, 2016 Share Posted September 5, 2016 I never have nor will I ever admit to top rapping...but do it if you must. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffB Posted September 5, 2016 Share Posted September 5, 2016 I've tried it a few times. Open G chord sounds very much like an open G chord either way. I really did want it to be a silver bullet and elevate both playing and tone. I had to look else where. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brentrocks Posted September 5, 2016 Share Posted September 5, 2016 Smokin' guitar, buddy, but, well, ya know.... This is all meant in good fun; to each their own, YMMV, etc. I simply don't care for the look/feel. I'm just jerking your chain....lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millennium Maestro Posted September 5, 2016 Share Posted September 5, 2016 Thats my roomie! I hate top wrap too. But one mans garbage is another mans treasure.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanschoyck Posted September 5, 2016 Share Posted September 5, 2016 I guess the trapeze tail piece takes the issue off of the table? Then there's the finger tail with the little adjusters, and the Epiphone Frequensator with the long and the short, and reversible I understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gitfiddler Posted September 5, 2016 Share Posted September 5, 2016 I guess the trapeze tail piece takes the issue off of the table? Then there's the finger tail with the little adjusters, and the Epiphone Frequensator with the long and the short, and reversible I understand. Excellent point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
111518 Posted September 5, 2016 Share Posted September 5, 2016 I don't top wrap, but there is an argument that break angle has an influence on feel (although perhaps not a lot--see below.) If there was a simple way to make my strings feel like they had more tension but without the added pressure on the neck of super heavy strings, that would be a good thing --that would mean increasing break angle by lowering the point where the strings leave the tailpiece. Top wrapping would make no sense for me --why scar up my tailpiece, reduce tuning stability by adding string length, all for less perceived tension? I work with 18-22 year olds: I gave up on any hint of cool long ago. Other adjustable tailpieces are engineered to allow adjustment of break angle: that's the purpose of the finger tailpiece adjustments, and the Gibson top-of-the-line archtop tailpieces --L-5 and Super 400-- were adjustable up and down for break angle. I think the Frequensator may have been an effort to balance the tension of the strings across the neck, as well. Here's a explanation, which includes an account of some experiments done by Bob Benedetto to actually test whether or not changes in break angle had a real-world effect on the perception of tension. His conclusion: nah. http://www.liutaiomottola.com/myth/perception.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HANGAR18 Posted September 5, 2016 Share Posted September 5, 2016 I don't always top wrap, but when I do, it looks like this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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