My H-150 Gets a Makeover

[mark555]

Newkiller - another version of nuclear?

[bobmeyrick]

As a Welshman living in the East Midlands, I'd like to add my contribution to the English language debate. It strikes me that there are two (at least) sorts of language that one uses - "formal" and "informal", for want of a better description. Informal is used when talking to friends or others from your locality, formal is used when communicating with people who would not understand colloquialisms. It's the difference between an email and a letter of application for a job. Most people understand the difference and use the appropriate language.

 

Dialects are wonderful things, the trick is knowing when to speak them! When I go back to Wales, I don't say "Ey-up, mi duck!"⁽¹⁾ when greeting someone, and in Nottingham no-one would understand me if I said "'Ow be, butty?"⁽²⁾. While I agree that language is a living thing and will change over time, there are some things that irritate me intensely. As a teacher (Science and ICT), I have nothing but contempt for the jargon used by the education authorities, full of TLA's (three letter acronyms) and designed to obfuscate rather than clarify. Kids (and occasionally adults) writing "could of" instead of "could have" FFS (oops!).

 

Punctuation - how difficult is it to know when to use an apostrophe? Indicating possession (Bob's H535), missing letters (don't) and occasional plurals (TLA's), but if you're not sure, leave it out! Capital letters to start sentences, full stops/periods to end them. For an amusing guide to punctuation, I'd recommend "Eats, Shoots and Leaves" by Lynne Truss. The title refers to a panda with a gun...

 

I feel better for that!

 

⁽¹⁾ "Hello, my friend."

⁽²⁾ "How are you, mate?"

[Hfan]

also, on one of my trips to Rick Turner's place in Santa Cruz he said "the neck is the tone engine of the instrument".

 

 

This reminds me of several threads I've seen in Fender Tele forums where a guy who is one of the resident gurus, switches necks between Teles and one particular neck seems to bring improved tone and sustain to which ever Tele it is attached to.

 

That said, I will leave this technical discourse to those here who are interested and qualified (I am somewhat interested and not at all qualified) , and I will try and learn a new lick on one of my humble instruments.

[koula901]

Wow! You guys are a bunch of douchebags! Was thinking of buying a Heritage....not anymore! Scott is one of the finest luthiers in North America. He knows more about building a "set neck single cut" guitar than anyone on this forum. He offers his hand as a gesture of friendship and you guys absolutely slay him to defend that ugly ass headstock! If Heritage legally "could" make a guitar with the open book headstock, I guaran-damn-tee you they would do it because it is a part of the classic look and feel of those great guitars built in Kalamazoo so long ago.

 

You all suck ass!

 

good bye.

 

Wow! Obviously a 20 yr old twit who can't follow a story from beginning to end. Take some midol, and don't go away mad, just go away.

[koula901]

I read the posts this morning and wondered, is this a guitar forum or a transcript from "The View"?

 

It's a guitar forum where people are posting their views.

[JeffB]

This reminds me of several threads I've seen in Fender Tele forums where a guy who is one of the resident gurus, switches necks between Teles and one particular neck seems to bring improved tone and sustain to which ever Tele it is attached to.

 

That said, I will leave this technical discourse to those here who are interested and qualified (I am somewhat interested and not at all qualified) , and I will try and learn a new lick on one of my humble instruments.

I'm not qualified. At all. But that's never stopped me from commenting on things.

I had a couple of PRS Swamp ash specials and quite a few Yamaha RG series guitar's(an embarrassing amount. Why, I dont know). The Yamaha's were all guitars I picked up very cheaply from pawn shops and made in Japan.

I swapped necks on the PRS's and found that out of every thing I could alter about the guitars, the neck seemed to be the thing that made the biggest difference. But, the body that sounded the best still sounded the best regardless of neck.

I repeated the experiment on the Yamaha's and pretty much got the same results.

a) Putting the best neck on the worst body didnt make it an awesome guitar.

b ) Putting the worst neck on the best body didn't make a crap guitar.

c) Putting the best neck on the best body didn't necessarily mean it was going to be the best guitar.

At the end of the mad rush of neck swaps I came to a point where I decided that a body needs the right neck.

The resonant frequency of the body and neck have to complement each other.

The neck is an important part of the equation but for me the slab of wood its attached to is maybe more.

I know this might be contrary to popular consensus but 15 Yamaha's, 2 PRS, 1 ESP and a strat neck and body swaps and all that entails put me firmly in the mindset to just buy guitars that work with out the need to change anything other than strings.

As always, ymmv.

[JeffB]

Just discovered that putting a "b" and a ")" together give you a

Thought I'd share that.

 

Thanks

[rjsanders]

As a Welshman living in the East Midlands, I'd like to add my contribution to the English language debate. It strikes me that there are two (at least) sorts of language that one uses - "formal" and "informal", for want of a better description. Informal is used when talking to friends or others from your locality, formal is used when communicating with people who would not understand colloquialisms. It's the difference between an email and a letter of application for a job. Most people understand the difference and use the appropriate language.

 

Dialects are wonderful things, the trick is knowing when to speak them! When I go back to Wales, I don't say "Ey-up, mi duck!"⁽¹⁾ when greeting someone, and in Nottingham no-one would understand me if I said "'Ow be, butty?"⁽²⁾. While I agree that language is a living thing and will change over time, there are some things that irritate me intensely. As a teacher (Science and ICT), I have nothing but contempt for the jargon used by the education authorities, full of TLA's (three letter acronyms) and designed to obfuscate rather than clarify. Kids (and occasionally adults) writing "could of" instead of "could have" FFS (oops!).

 

Punctuation - how difficult is it to know when to use an apostrophe? Indicating possession (Bob's H535), missing letters (don't) and occasional plurals (TLA's), but if you're not sure, leave it out! Capital letters to start sentences, full stops/periods to end them. For an amusing guide to punctuation, I'd recommend "Eats, Shoots and Leaves" by Lynne Truss. The title refers to a panda with a gun...

 

I feel better for that!

 

⁽¹⁾ "Hello, my friend."

⁽²⁾ "How are you, mate?"

 

excellent post. coupla comments:

 

- "formal"/"informal" is a distinction recognized & taught us in the U.S. as "standard" and "non-standard". the former being language used to address Congress or a congregations, so forth; the latter being everything else from vernacular to slang to dialect & the rest

 

- jargon & TLAs for purposes other than clarity are indulged by "authorities" outside the education field. also, i hear the new Oxford English Dictionary will include "refudiate" in the next edition (there's more than one way to impress the easily impressionable). but it's always been a descriptive rather than a prescriptive reference

 

- punctuation - i was trying to recall the Truss book's author & title last night. thanks. she was one of my favorite interviews heard in the past year. noteworthy is possessive pronoun "its", which is increasingly confused with the contraction "it's"

 

- caps - as a student of the Hungarian language i was initially struck by the general non-use of capitalization. and i'm a long-time fan of e.e. cummings. but capitalization in English imparts additional meaning & is important in formal writing

 

useful to remember from time to time, language can be a wonderful tool for expression, but it's limited and that's why we have music and Heritage guitars

[Patrick]

excellent post. coupla comments:

 

- "formal"/"informal" is a distinction recognized & taught us in the U.S. as "standard" and "non-standard". the former being language used to address Congress or a congregations, so forth; the latter being everything else from vernacular to slang to dialect & the rest

 

- jargon & TLAs for purposes other than clarity are indulged by "authorities" outside the education field. also, i hear the new Oxford English Dictionary will include "refudiate" in the next edition (there's more than one way to impress the easily impressionable). but it's always been a descriptive rather than a prescriptive reference

 

- punctuation - i was trying to recall the Truss book's author & title last night. thanks. she was one of my favorite interviews heard in the past year. noteworthy is possessive pronoun "its", which is increasingly confused with the contraction "it's"

 

- caps - as a student of the Hungarian language i was initially struck by the general non-use of capitalization. and i'm a long-time fan of e.e. cummings. but capitalization in English imparts additional meaning & is important in formal writing

 

useful to remember from time to time, language can be a wonderful tool for expression, but it's limited and that's why we have music and Heritage guitars

 

Effective use of language is also a great way of subliminally implying one's frustrations ... i.e. . . "impress the easily impressionable" . . . . . cute. Although, I do believe "refudiate" can be almost as effective as "repudiate" . . . don't you? Refudiate .. . kinda sounds like something ol' George "dub-ya" might have said if he was asked to sum up November 2, 2010 in a single word. But, I'd "aks" nothing less of him.

[rjsanders]

Effective use of language is also a great way of subliminally implying one's frustrations ... i.e. . . "impress the easily impressionable" . . . . . cute. Although, I do believe "refudiate" can be almost as effective as "repudiate" . . . don't you? Refudiate .. . kinda sounds like something ol' George "dub-ya" might have said if he was asked to sum up November 2, 2010 in a single word. But, I'd "aks" nothing less of him.

 

 

some neologisms are intentional (Lewis Carroll), some reveal a moment of beflusterment

 

"refudiate" actually isn't jargon, as such. but i'm surprised the OED would consider it, seeing how the word's not seen such little usage to date. hey, but maybe if the 60% of our electorate who didn't bother to vote started using it, then its inclusion would certainly be warranted.

[Patrick]

some neologisms are intentional (Lewis Carroll), some reveal a moment of beflusterment

 

"refudiate" actually isn't jargon, as such. but i'm surprised the OED would consider it, seeing how the word's not seen such little usage to date. hey, but maybe if the 60% of our electorate who didn't bother to vote started using it, then its inclusion would certainly be warranted.

 

Well that's just great man. Now I've got to break out the dictionary again. What the hell is a neologism?? I think I know what a beflusterment is. I had some once a while back but some good antibiotics cleared it up. "the word's not seen such little usage to date"??? That one will certainly take me a while to figure out.

 

So, let's see... . The Bamma didn't do a good enough job getting the message across (this from a media proclaimed world class communicator with God like oratory skills) . . . The people only expressed their frustration that his great agenda is taking so long to show signs of success . . . . 60 percent of the electorate didn't bother to vote (gee . . I wonder why that was). It's time for all the excuses to stop and for the former ruling class to recognize that the American people will not tolerate those who choose to govern against their will. The remaining Democrats, as well as those left in the White House who have not yet abandoned this guy are doing themselves more harm than good by continuing to try to dictate their will on the people.

 

Hopefully, 2012 will deal the final political death blow to this administration . .. so we can get on with the privilege of being American.

[bobmeyrick]

Well that's just great man. Now I've got to break out the dictionary again. What the hell is a neologism?? I think I know what a beflusterment is. I had some once a while back but some good antibiotics cleared it up. "the word's not seen such little usage to date"??? That one will certainly take me a while to figure out.

 

So, let's see... . The Bamma didn't do a good enough job getting the message across (this from a media proclaimed world class communicator with God like oratory skills) . . . The people only expressed their frustration that his great agenda is taking so long to show signs of success . . . . 60 percent of the electorate didn't bother to vote (gee . . I wonder why that was). It's time for all the excuses to stop and for the former ruling class to recognize that the American people will not tolerate those who choose to govern against their will. The remaining Democrats, as well as those left in the White House who have not yet abandoned this guy are doing themselves more harm than good by continuing to try to dictate their will on the people.

 

Hopefully, 2012 will deal the final political death blow to this administration . .. so we can get on with the privilege of being American.

As an outsider looking in on the American political scene, I've been amused to see Obama being called a "socialist" or "Marxist", when in British terms he'd be centre-right and would probably be comfortable in our Conservative party! Two nations separated by a common language... Enough politics - heated debate on the Pat Metheny "Basement" forum was enough to get it closed down until further notice.

[FredZepp]

... sometimes things here just really go negative without any reason....

[mark555]

As a Welshman living in the East Midlands, I'd like to add my contribution to the English language debate. It strikes me that there are two (at least) sorts of language that one uses - "formal" and "informal", for want of a better description. Informal is used when talking to friends or others from your locality, formal is used when communicating with people who would not understand colloquialisms. It's the difference between an email and a letter of application for a job. Most people understand the difference and use the appropriate language.

 

Dialects are wonderful things, the trick is knowing when to speak them! When I go back to Wales, I don't say "Ey-up, mi duck!"⁽¹⁾ when greeting someone, and in Nottingham no-one would understand me if I said "'Ow be, butty?"⁽²⁾. While I agree that language is a living thing and will change over time, there are some things that irritate me intensely. As a teacher (Science and ICT), I have nothing but contempt for the jargon used by the education authorities, full of TLA's (three letter acronyms) and designed to obfuscate rather than clarify. Kids (and occasionally adults) writing "could of" instead of "could have" FFS (oops!).

 

Punctuation - how difficult is it to know when to use an apostrophe? Indicating possession (Bob's H535), missing letters (don't) and occasional plurals (TLA's), but if you're not sure, leave it out! Capital letters to start sentences, full stops/periods to end them. For an amusing guide to punctuation, I'd recommend "Eats, Shoots and Leaves" by Lynne Truss. The title refers to a panda with a gun...

 

I feel better for that!

 

⁽¹⁾ "Hello, my friend."

⁽²⁾ "How are you, mate?"

 

Bob, a few years ago I was down in the Valleys (area of South Wales) when I just could not find the company I had an appointment at. I phoned their reception and the girl on the phone asked: Where to by are you? Brilliant!

[mark555]

... sometimes things here just really go negative without any reason....

 

Personally, I am enjoying how this thread is developing, it seems to be encompassing all sorts of chilled out views. I had no idea the language comment I made would take off. What's so wrong in this thread developing in this way? It seems that we have all gone through the original heated debate and we are now a group of guys and one very welcome lady just chatting like a bunch of friends at the pub over a drink, it seems good to me.

[rjsanders]

Bob, a few years ago I was down in the Valleys (area of South Wales) when I just could not find the company I had an appointment at. I phoned their reception and the girl on the phone asked: Where to by are you? Brilliant!

 

 

common greeting in New Orleans, "where yat?". i love it

[rjsanders]

Well that's just great man. Now I've got to break out the dictionary again. What the hell is a neologism?? I think I know what a beflusterment is. I had some once a while back but some good antibiotics cleared it up. "the word's not seen such little usage to date"??? That one will certainly take me a while to figure out.

 

...

 

i don't think you'll find "beflusterment", but it might be a good example of English's flexibility and aid to invention

[rjsanders]

As an outsider looking in on the American political scene, I've been amused to see Obama being called a "socialist" or "Marxist", when in British terms he'd be centre-right and would probably be comfortable in our Conservative party! Two nations separated by a common language... Enough politics - heated debate on the Pat Metheny "Basement" forum was enough to get it closed down until further notice.

 

 

the present Prez is indeed seen as center-right here. just not by many to the right of him. i've enjoyed watching snippets of the British Parliament in debate. pretty raucous sometimes. think i'd need subtitles for some of it. do y'all have something like C-SPAN?

[Guest mgoetting]

the present Prez is indeed seen as center-right here.

 

When you say "here", do you mean California or the US?

 

Certainly some of the country sees Obama as left of center. I'm guessing most of us, but it is regional.

[Patrick]

Personally, I am enjoying how this thread is developing, it seems to be encompassing all sorts of chilled out views. I had no idea the language comment I made would take off. What's so wrong in this thread developing in this way? It seems that we have all gone through the original heated debate and we are now a group of guys and one very welcome lady just chatting like a bunch of friends at the pub over a drink, it seems good to me.

 

Exactly correct! I just can't wait 'til later in the evening at the pub when we all start singing old English tunes. while yelling over for another pint!!!

[FredZepp]

Personally, I am enjoying how this thread is developing, it seems to be encompassing all sorts of chilled out views. I had no idea the language comment I made would take off. What's so wrong in this thread developing in this way? It seems that we have all gone through the original heated debate and we are now a group of guys and one very welcome lady just chatting like a bunch of friends at the pub over a drink, it seems good to me.

The language comments are interesting and not at all negative..

I was just commenting on the sudden appearance of political commentary that popped up.

It's not a usual thing in the Heritage section here.... and invites the usual arguments that we see in the Family Tree section.

[rjsanders]

The language comments are interesting and not at all negative..

I was just commenting on the sudden appearance of political commentary that popped up.

It's not a usual thing in the Heritage section here.... and invites the usual arguments that we see in the Family Tree section.

 

 

you're right, FZ. "refudiate" just popped to mind & i shoulda left out the add'l. commentary. forgot this wasn't Family Tree. apologies!

[conorb]

I am waiting for a truss rod cover. Hopefully Monday. Other than that, I have the guitar buffed out and all put together again. Looks really cool.

 

Let's get this thread back on track. Post some more pictures when you can. I'm anxious to see the final result.

 

conorb

[Patrick]

you're right, FZ. "refudiate" just popped to mind & i shoulda left out the add'l. commentary. forgot this wasn't Family Tree. apologies!

 

So, now you're gonna apologize? Well, I for one refudiate your apology .... . . and I would expect someone to repudiate my refudiation!!!

 

Don't worry . . . it's all good man. No one died. This thread took myriad twists and turns . . . and it all remained civil. (I'm trying to block out redneck . . . or redking . . . or who ever the hell he was . . .and also trying to block out my mild response to his post).

 

Hell, we even had some guy say the he believed that our current President was center right. Anyway, I guess that guy must have been from San Francisco. Hey. . .. rj . . . where are you from? I mean philosophically. But, even though this should have been on the Family Tree, it's all in good fun. Hey mark555, when are we gonna start singing those English tunes and yelling for another pint???

[602a]

Holy Crap, I go out of town for a couple of weeks and this topic generated more post Than Patrick and BoB's Thrilla in Minilla. It was like reading "War and Peace". It was good right up to where the Obama Shit started then it kinda lost the mojo. First I bet everyone over age of 40 in this group has played or owned a Gibson including myself. Let's get over who has the best guitars. I will also bet the is not one of us who would not want to own a 58 or 59 Paul. I have tried twice to buy a KM Model Gibson to no avail. I just got a Standard that I bet one of the Heritage guys built. I own 3 Heritage and to me yes they are better than Gibsons since they moved. I have watched Scotts Youtube clips long before he ever posted here to get help on a 83 I refinished. He does great work but like Kuz said until you play it Don't endorse it or bash it. As far as Redneck or Reddick or whatever your name is it's ok to defend a friend but as far as calling Kuz a Douche that's as far as wrong as you can be. Patrick on the other hand is a different story. See Patrick whom I've never met would make a great Firefighter. See we are all Douches in the Fire Dept but only we are allowed to say that about each other, so until you own a Heritage Keep the Name calling and Personal attacks for the Youtube comment section. If you don't like this Post Go find somewhere else to be. This is for Musicians not WWE wanna be's. Oh yea Damion my friend says EAT THIS