gpuma Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Yesterday I pulled my H357 out and I noticed something really small but nonetheless troubling, given the emotional value attached to this guitar. I noticed that the finish at the junction of the central maple insert (on the guitar top, just behind the bridge) is not smooth anymore. In other words, the line that defines the border between maple and mahogany can be felt with the tip of your finger, as the finish over it seems to have raised slightly. What is it, and how can I fix it? Did anyone experience a similar problem? My worry is that the finish might peel off. I'll try to capture it on a picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gitfiddler Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 As George Castanza said on Seinfeld...Shrinkage! Possibly the wood is settling in as it dries. Take a couple of close up photos for us to see exactly what's up. Hope it is something simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gpuma Posted April 21, 2017 Author Share Posted April 21, 2017 the picture actually looks worse than it really is. I am wondering if a hot surface might help blending the finish again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gitfiddler Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Take it to a pro that you trust...or send photos to Heritage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpuma Posted April 21, 2017 Author Share Posted April 21, 2017 I just filled up a "contact us" form on the new Heritage website. Let's see if they come back to me otherwise I'll just pick up the phone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heritage1970 Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Could be a humidity or lack of humidity issue too, depending on where you live, where and how the guitar is stored. If it's really dry, you may want to use either a in case humidifier or put one in the room it's being stored in. Not 100% sure that's the problem without seeing it, but just a thought as I've seen humidity related problems similar to this before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsp17 Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Take it to a pro that you trust...or send photos to Heritage. Sound advice!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brentrocks Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Hopefully Heritage will offer to take care of that for you....their finishing dept has been doing some amazing stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoslate Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Wood is an organic "living" substance. Anybody who's done much work on instruments has a sense of the idea that wood never dies. It breathes, moves, and responds to heat and cold, dryness and moisture in ways not dissimilar to how we do. The lacquer is a pretty fickle chemical, and its application and curing are a fickle process, as well. Though I'm sure the appearance of this finish flaw on an otherwise pristine instrument is disturbing, there's nothing unusual going on here. Undesirable, sure. Unnatural, no. What I'd do, Gio, is rub my finger along my nose or across my forehead, and get some of my skin's oil on the fingertip. Rub that well into the crack (you can then polish the surface). That oil will keep moisture from getting into the crack (which is likely just the nitro) and, perhaps under the finish, doing more damage. Then you can watch it for a while, maybe get a better idea of what's going on. Likely just the clearcoat, which is a relatively easy fix, if you know what you're doing. If you can't live with what's there, as Tim said, take it to a pro who knows finishing (not all guitar techs do), and let him evaluate it. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpuma Posted April 21, 2017 Author Share Posted April 21, 2017 Thanks guys. It is a minor thing and I wouldn't mind it at all. Except that this is THE guitar. In fact I shouldn't even worry about it because I will never sell it. It is a purely emotional thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolero Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 +1 to Yoslate's comments I am pretty sure that is just due to the different pieces of wood expanding/shrinking, over time on my 357 I can also feel the seams where the different strips of wood meet; it was smooth when new the good thing about nitro is it will melt into an existing finish very well. So if that bothers you it shouldn't be hard to touch up, for a pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brentrocks Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 My 357 is a hog/maple/hog center block and i can see/feel the transitions slightly.....now granted, mine is 30 yrs old. the finish hasn't cracked...yet. I wonder if it has to do with the age and curing time of the wood? Newer wood/faster curing times? Modern lacquer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpuma Posted April 22, 2017 Author Share Posted April 22, 2017 Thank you guys, a feedback from other 357 owners is really helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polo Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 Maybe one of the "ambassadors" could seek a direct consult from Marv on your behalf as he's surely had to deal with this issue at some point in the past. Best of luck that one's a real Beauty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpuma Posted April 22, 2017 Author Share Posted April 22, 2017 Pete Farmer just wrote me. It is not something that would be covered under warranty, understandably; i was not really expecting it. It seems that the general agreement is that it is a minor thing however i know exactly zero luthiers over here. Need to investigate the landscape Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pressure Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 That's sad but just wait until your spruce top cracks! Wood... things happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpuma Posted April 22, 2017 Author Share Posted April 22, 2017 Pete is trying really hard to help. He is great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalismanRich Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 It definitely can be fixed. My 157 got a ding on the horn when I caught the cord and pulled it off the stand. OUCH! I decided it was a "beauty mark": and would live with it. Then came the "great flood" when the basement backed up and there was 18 inches of water with my beloved 157 sitting on the stand. My heart sank! That led to all kinds of cracking of the finish when the grain swelled from the water. I was advised to let it dry for about 6 months, then sent it up to be repaired. When it came back, the cracks were gone, and even the ding had vanished. If you can't find a local to do the work and you can't live with the blemish, then pack her up and send her back home for a visit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yooper Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 I'm sure this can be mended. I'm reminded of the first ding on my H150 that left a knot in my stomach for weeks. It was all I could see. Eventually I realized that my own vanity and bruised ego were showing more than the indentation. Now it's just a minor blemish that has no effect on tone or feel, and is not even visible from halfway across a room. When checking appeared on my gold top, the same emotions were triggered again. But not for long. These guitars are still beautiful and still want to be played. And they sound fantastic. They reward me every time I pick them up. My mourning was for naught as I realize it is we who are the most fragile and mortal.These guitars will outlast us all eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwinking Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 The guitar looks ruined to me. I will take it off your hands for $500. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Flying Bird Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Wood is an organic "living" substance. Anybody who's done much work on instruments has a sense of the idea that wood never dies. It breathes, moves, and responds to heat and cold, dryness and moisture in ways not dissimilar to how we do. The lacquer is a pretty fickle chemical, and its application and curing are a fickle process, as well. Though I'm sure the appearance of this finish flaw on an otherwise pristine instrument is disturbing, there's nothing unusual going on here. Undesirable, sure. Unnatural, no. What I'd do, Gio, is rub my finger along my nose or across my forehead, and get some of my skin's oil on the fingertip. Rub that well into the crack (you can then polish the surface). That oil will keep moisture from getting into the crack (which is likely just the nitro) and, perhaps under the finish, doing more damage. Then you can watch it for a while, maybe get a better idea of what's going on. Likely just the clearcoat, which is a relatively easy fix, if you know what you're doing. If you can't live with what's there, as Tim said, take it to a pro who knows finishing (not all guitar techs do), and let him evaluate it. Good luck! You wanted character when you ordered the guitar now play it. ;^) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Flying Bird Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 When I had the 357 I was worried that I would damage it that I wasn't able to enjoy the guitar. I was a wreck whenever someone asked to play it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpuma Posted April 24, 2017 Author Share Posted April 24, 2017 Pete Farmer was able to put me in touch with a local tech. I'll bring the guitar there soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polo Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Pete Farmer was able to put me in touch with a local tech. I'll bring the guitar there soon. Classic Pete Farmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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