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  1. 11 points
    When you consider the business history of Heritage Guitars, it was hard to imagine where it would go when the owners retired. It wasn't much of sellable business as they don't own the plant and have a long history of many periods of being on the verge of going entirely out of business. After the fire was a low point and after being resurrected when Vince joined as a partner and then that not working out. The original owners have said that in recent years they haven't collected a salary. There's not a lot of patents or marketing power associated with the brand. Now, don't get me wrong... I am a Heritage guitar fan through and through. I went to PSP events the last nine years in a row and was fortunate to spend time with the owners and workers from the plant each year. I'm just saying that even if some small investor bought the brand, there's no use to a business that's not profitable to an investor. It was a shock when PlazaCorp bought the plant and then the Heritage brand. They came out with plans that could not have been predicted for their scale and depth. There was no doubt that Heritage would be changed. And then the big shock when workers were let go. This was tough to take in. Really, it was the people that we all appreciated most when doing our annual pilgrimage to Kalamazoo. The changes are likely to make us proclaim that this isn't the old Heritage of Kalamazoo that we have grown to love and admire. But that was kind of a magical miracle to have existed like it did for so long. I'll cherish the memories even more as things are changed at Parsons Street. I'll say that I don't feel like I have all of the information to make decisions about how the new version will operate. I'll wait and see. I will visit the restored plant and look back at the fond memories of the time warp that was opened to us during the previous years. I've got plenty of Heritage guitars already, so my wishes for the future are for those former employees and their success and happiness going forward. They hold much of the magic that we witnessed at Parsons Street, along with the legendary founders of the company.
  2. 10 points
    I bought my first Heritage in 1999 from Elderly in Lansing. At the time I lived in Mt. Pleasant. I liked the Idea of spending my money locally. While I missed PSP 1 due to a family emergency I have attended all the others. I have traveled with some great people and been hosted my many others. For the last 5 years or so I have stayed with a second generation heritage luthier at her and her husbands house. I have had the privilege of hanging out with those luthiers who have built the guitars I so much enjoy. People like Kate, and Chris, Arnie, Curly, Charles, Pete, and many others. They have built 3 guitars especially for me. Not custom build but employee builds, just for me by people who I consider friends. I have always loved the High quality of my Heritage guitars, and I don’t doubt the quality will keep getting better. But if all the friends I have made along the way are doing other things. It’s just not the same for me. I don’t love my heritages because they are great guitars. I love them because they are great guitars my friends made. When you take the friends out.. your left with just guitars.
  3. 7 points
    As with the previous owners , you'll find Heritage to be marketing the tradition of the old plant and the history of what has come out of that old plant. Literally the Heritage of Kalamazoo. And as they restore that historic old plant and create a museum onsite ( along with other plans ) , you're unlikely to see that look to the past change. That would include the history of Gibson and of Heritage guitars. Of course, they've really just begun to get the new version started. There's still a good amount of time before much of what is to be will come to fruition . I will say the person that I spoke to that was most happy with the new modern upgrades to their equipment was Jim Deurloo. ( One of the founders of Heritage and Plant Manager back when Parsons Street was a Gibson plant ) Dust and temperature control, state of the art finishing equipment and new organizational systems seemed to make him quite proud of the new Heritage. The future of Heritage was very much in doubt before and now there are many changes yet to see at Parsons Street. He was always devoted to that plant .. calling it the mecca of guitar building and pushing for Gibson to keep it open way back in the early 80's. And like it or not in the future some things will change , but it's yet to be seen . It's amazing that Heritage lives still , it's been touch and go. But especially here on the site created for the benefit of Heritage owners and future Heritage owners, I choose to be hopeful and positive with best wishes to those that carry on the name.
  4. 7 points
    I believe they're doing well, BUT your source has a valid point, because they went from 22 models AND lot's of custom builds down to 6 models and few custom builds- their output has diminished. Sure, they're signing up new dealers BUT they'll have a tough time holding them due to their direct buy push. They are however financially sound for the 1st time ever and they're quite possibly well managed, which is something new also. They're promising exciting things to come next year and only time will tell. meanwhile the Guitars we're receiving are the best they've ever been in terms of fit, finish, playability and component quality. These folks really pay attention to the details and it's much appreciated out here in the hinterlands. Pete & crew are doing a superb job.
  5. 7 points
    To the core "I am a Rebel" by nature, brutally honest and hardcore in my devotions. I became a Dealer out of respect for the Golden Era Owners, Real men that treated employees and associates with respect and honor. My business model does not include molding myself to fit under a corporate structure, my beliefs will not allow me to let someone "Puppet Master" me and pull my strings. I will no longer be spending $20-30k yearly with Heritage... Regretfully. No matter how much I want to help the Golden Era team! I do business with people like myself and 2 Years of hopes was enough for me! BEAN COUNTERS CAN BUY A BRAND NAME... THEY CAN'T BUY ME! Jay is right, guitars are better, the promise of "The Best" guitars is a necessity to capturing world class dealers. Jay is also very tight lipped on some stuff too because "Big Brother is Watching" . I suspect there are many business associates like myself that have remained loyal out of respect and honor of the "Golden Era Team", The general population does not know how close to Brand implosion the Golden Team was when initially purchased by Plaza and Plaza earned a ton of respect for saving a brand that is near and dear to my heart! However, I found it hard dealing with an entity with zero musician experience, that was entirely out of their element, trying to impose business models with a total lack of concern for their models effected the associates that supported their products. Now there is a new 49% owner that has zero respect for the loyal associates that blindly supported the brand and have a total devotion to the product... MENG: You now own a brand and are responding to end users and people that believe in that brand... I believe you want the 'Best Brand" you can deliver... It is now time for you to step up, you will personally be held responsible for your words and promises. Bandlab Heritage IS a byproduct of nearly 33 years of history that you have inherited, Heritage has an earned reputation and that reputation is NOT Gibson 2.0 no matter who you hire! If you want to be "THE BIG DOG" you will have to earn that reputation through your products, associate support, end user appreciation, artist support and your own "History of Earned" respect. Your words are a hollow vessel with a shiny exterior... but is there any substance really inside, you will have to prove you are "The Big Dog" and it will not happen overnight. You are in a very distinctive position, a cross roads of sorts... You either have to become what you say you want to become or forever be labeled "Henry J 2.0", I hope I m wrong in whom you've hired and placed your trust. In short! I HOPE YOU CAN EARN MY RESPECT! I am routing for you. PS. There is nothing wrong with "The Heritage" product, maybe you should try NOT to be Gibson, PRS, Collings or any other manufacturer. The Heritage IS enough for me.... PSS. Do you really think direct sales to the End User is part of the solution in the USA. PSSS. I will be supporting some of the people you Fired... THEY DESERVE IT!
  6. 6 points
  7. 6 points
    Keep it up with the political shit guys & girls and this thread is going to get shut down pronto. I, for one, don't want to see that happen. And I don't want to see HOC shut down either. If you want to bitch about politics log on to Facebook. This is a thread, and a site, about Heritage Guitars.
  8. 6 points
    Average is a poor indicator of the middle with wealth distribution. The median and mode are a much better statistics for skewed distributions.
  9. 5 points
    Next you're going to tell me that Orville Gibson didn't really build those old vintage Gibson guitars, Les Paul didn't really design the "Les Paul" and that Leo Fender didn't hand solder all those amps together by himself. While they have moved the production to a much cleaner, safer area, with adequate lighting, ventilation and temperature/humidity control, they still have the same benches, tools, racks, ferris wheel, and duplicarver that were in the side of the building. The process is the same as before, As for not being the same old grizzly woodworkers that worked at Gibson, they have always had younger workers in the factory. Unfortunately, the original guys are susceptible to the same aging process as you are. Let's see if you're still doing the same job at the same plant 60 years after you started working! I just hope the original guys are around to enjoy their retirements for a good long time. They deserve it!
  10. 5 points
    It's hard to tell if your being serious here or if your just trying to stir up what's left of the nest for some weekend laughs. Either way, you can put me down as a 100% (1985-2015) era kind of Heritage fan.
  11. 5 points
    Just in case you guys want to really see the top on his 150.
  12. 5 points
    Way to pull focus, Fred! Good distillation of so much of what has been written on the forum since Heritage changed hands. No speculation, here.
  13. 5 points
    Bingo. They were a company nimble enough to institute and keep up with small customized differences between guitars; doing so requires talented, experienced craftsmen.
  14. 5 points
    Oh great, here we go with the politically motivated personal attack’s. Didn’t we learn anything from the great fallout a couple of years ago. Right, Left or middle, just because you think it, doesn’t mean you need to type it.
  15. 5 points
    I've heard this garbage my whole life- "live in "Realville", "we had to do what's best for the company"- it's all double talk for someone getting screwed (that's putting it mildly- I'm trying to keep it PG 13 here) - bottom line: Heritage was always a Company that had a Family vibe, they were different from the Corporate giants- now they're just like the rest, and that makes me pretty damn sad. From what I've heard, Heritage was not in a great place financially, when they were bought out, so I guess "they" came in and saved the Company - but the question is from what? I would have rather have seen Heritage just fade away and die a slow death than be slaughtered by Corporate giants. But...it's too late for that- everyone in "Realville" just woke up to find the Heart and Soul of Heritage has been F' ed.... I pray there is a way this will turn around, but sadly, I've seen this time and again and I don't have a good feeling that it will............
  16. 5 points
    You don't have to tour the factory to have a good time in Kzoo. This forum was always about friendship. They can't layoff friendship.
  17. 4 points
    Franz, I know what you are missing. I miss it too but it had to happen some day and it has happened. The Heritage brand has lost it's Mojo. The old timers were the Mojo and it is gone, along with it's best guitar builders who created that Mojo. Now Heritage Guitars is just another business. You can still get a nice guitar from them but it ain't the same. I drove 11 plus hours to visit that factory -so many times. I made great fiends. Now I don't even have a desire to ever darken their door steps again with my shadow. While many on this forum will defend the new Heritage brand I don't like it. They can keep their plaza. I sure as hell will not be visiting their bierhalle.
  18. 4 points
    ALSB = Almond Sunburst. ASB = Antique Sunburst. ASB:
  19. 4 points
    These, the first two from the Pete Farmer Custom Shop !!!!!!!!!!!!!
  20. 4 points
    I no longer know who i am referring to. Several people on this site use multiple alias'. I can't even understand what people are referring to when they write something, everything is just letters! AWOL, AOC, LGBTQIA, CIA, LVMH, FWIW, HTH, IMNSHO, DGMW, LSMFT, ABFL, BBS, BMTIPG and partial words. L-word, B-word, N-word, F-word, A-word, C-word, G-word, K-word, Q-word, S-word. I mean WTF. Pardon my letters.
  21. 4 points
    Okay, here is my new H-535 -- The most beautiful guitar I have ever owned. Sorry if the picture is not the best. Scott
  22. 4 points
    A pre-Plaza Corp. masterpiece. I waited years to get my 2015 gem, and it's everything one could want, or expect, from a versatile sweet sounding guitar.
  23. 4 points
    A few old ones. That is some ugly people.
  24. 4 points
  25. 4 points
    Heritage Guitars was run by people with a passion for making guitars not making money. They made a run of it for over thirty years. The new Heritage guitars are not made in the same environment. Face it the "brand" died a few years ago. The future of the new ownership? I could give a shit less.
  26. 4 points
    I've tried and tried and tried, but not once did it give me a kbp810 as an option.
  27. 4 points
    loved being there in 2010 and 2011
  28. 4 points
    All I know is I bought, in 1997, an H-550 for $1,500 that was uniquely custom, by my request: 1. No pickguard 2. No fretboard inlay 3. Golden Classic fretboard and neck 4. No pickups 5. No volume or tone knobs. They gave me the flamiest H-550 I've ever seen! I had a Gibson Charlie Christian pickup routed in, ordered bowtie inlays from Gibson, and did other things I thought would 'improve' it. When I decided to replace the clown burst with something more traditional, Marv Lamb laughed when he held it, and said they always wondered who bought the guitar that was, essentially, a shell. When he and another big dog demurred at taking the Christian out and putting it back in after refinish, citing possible top damage, they called Pete Moreno while I was waiting there. Pete finished it in a sort of cross between burnt amber and dark almond burst, for just $600, and he even fixed some internal cracks around the plug hole, for no charge! These are special people, and I really hope that they form a new company. I will definitely buy a guitar built by these fired employees.- Charles Bevell Bloomington, IN
  29. 4 points
    Do not understand the setup and nut issues. While I did need to replace the poorly cut nut on my 2006 H150 the next five came with bone nuts that were cut well enough. Players can go as low as 8 to 13. Easier to file wider and deeper than fill the slots to go higher and narrower. Of all the Heritage guitars I played that I did not own, zero were setup as I set up mine. Some dealers offer a discounted plek as from what I read on this forum Heritage retailer contracts specify setup as a dealer thing. The factory has no idea what strings and action the buyer will use. With your degree and knowledge of guitars, if you can't do your own setup, why would it take more than one tech for that h150 to be playable much less assume you have the skills to run the factory. I don't get it. Main issues I see is the degree of custom offered that could only be done with skilled builders and not programmed CNC. My first custom Prospect was ordered with P90s thus no pattern to place on the top to route the pups, figure clearance and neck angle. Next try to get a factory to dust off the old 147 pattern, mix and match korina and maple, route for a staple and P90, configure for a wraptail then knock it out of the park. I realize this was too good to last and a deal of a lifetime. Compared to H building what I dared to dream up, replacing a poorly cut nut, or using a file and adjusting relief and bridge height was silly to complain about.
  30. 4 points
    Okay I will come out of the shadows for this post... DeeTooker why can't you see that old world craftsmanship can go hand in hand with tight tolerances, and that better techniques don't have to lead to vanilla guitars. You can cut all the guitar bodies with CNC machines, but if the pickups have that potted slightly microphonic character that companies like Throbak wind into them (consistently may I add) you will hear the differences between guitars, after all much of the primary tone of a great guitar still comes from the wood, and if the wood is good and the tighter tolerances are achieved with better production techniques the chance of getting a magical guitar will have to go up with the chance of getting a dud going down. As I've stated in my posts on other forums I had HUGE problems with the nut cuts and the fretwork on ALL of my H150s. And if strings are choking and not staying in tune, that doesn't help the primary tone! And the prices of new Heritages are going up to Gibson custom shop levels so in my mind they better deliver the goods to the level of the custom shop LPs that I own or why should I buck up for lesser quality. When you could buy a used excellent condition H150 for $900 to $1200 bucks they were a good deal, and great fixer uppers, as a matter of fact that's how I got into Heritages, but for the new prices they are asking, they better deliver the goods. Personally I got sick of hearing about the mojo of Heritage when many times I saw pics of sloppy factory areas at 225, and on the guitars continued terrible fretwork and bad setups. My last Heritage guitar that I bought new said Seth Lover pickups on the inside label and was shipped with Pearly Gates pickups, and one of the allen screws was missing out of the Tonepros bridge. On an expensive guitar I want attention to detail. I'm not asking for perfection, but I want playable out of the box, great playability I will have my luthier attend to, or I will do it myself if I have the time (I play almost daily), but out of the box it should intonate well, be devoid of buzzes, and have a respectable playing height, none of my Heritages fit that bill when I first got them. Hell my Norlin Era L5s guitars which have had hardly a screw turned on them intonate better and play with considerably lower actions than any of my Heritages ever did when I got them. That said I'm sorry many of you have had your friends lose their job, but if anyone lost their job because they didn't want to step up to the new level of quality the company is shooting for, then hell, that's on them. As a pro-musician I always have to evolve to keep my competitive edge and to keep working in the industry, I expect the same out of the companies that make my guitars. Personally I'm rooting for the new company to take Heritage to higher level. I like the the idea of Edwin Wilson coming aboard. He was instrumental in raising the quality of Gibson Custom Shop guitars. Let's see what the future brings. And having a limited number guitars offered that are built to a consistent high standard is a good idea in my mind. Okay there's my 2 cents of blowhard guitar nonsense.
  31. 4 points
    Sorry for the rants, I don't frequent the HOC but have been a long time fan and have owned quite a few Heritage models always appreciating how they last in line of a long lineage. The improving quality thing: I've set up my own instruments for a long time as no matter what I get from a shop I want a different gauge/brand of strings, different relief, thus different intonation, maybe even different bit of fall off here or there. This culture of "perfect out of the box" kind of boggles my mind, as if every dude wants the same action & strings & gauge etc. Extra wide nuts that never bind like PRS don't impress me as they might hold tune since they don't hold the string and you sacrifice attack/decay, neither just seeing binding that was taped versus scraped, or all sorts of other modern ideas which make every guitar a clone of itself. When I first found out about Heritage they were competing with Gibson USA guitars in their introductory models (solid, laminate) and Gibson Custom in their carved tops at a better price point in with far more hand work behind the scenes. If a tuning machine was .25MM off angle that didn't bother me in the slightest as I recognize the so many other aspects of build quality first. I saw Heritage as a Blue Collar OLD SCHOOL Company that was a smokin' deal for players wanting hand made American Instruments following that "flawed" tradition as Jay Wolfe puts it. Then they were sold, then more price hikes, and more. After investment they'll be focusing on Solid Bodies & Laminates with higher prices but, oh, the fret ends won't have an extra scratch. That's cool, but that's a different class of buyers. I'm concerned with wood, materials, old school hand work AND price. Scraped binding, hand filed fret ends, hand sanded finishes, hand applied veneers, and many other details are all part of tradition, if they're a hair off under the magnifying glass SO WHAT, they weren't 3D printed and that's the entire point. If Heritage becomes another Collings, which looks to be the case in the not too distant future (it won't be long before H150's & H535's go greater than 3K+, IMO) good for them. That's cool to be a part of the high dollar boutique community but to get real for a second, $3250 for a single cut flat body Collings 290 is CRAZY for such a simple build and even for a domestic guitar! Oh, but the fret ends are "Perfect" and the "Fit and finish is impeccable." There are $500 guitars I can say that about too I'm surprised @ThroBak, You, of all people, understand each vintage Kalamazoo Gibson is different. Everything, I've seen it all, the tops carves vary, laminate thickness, neck pitch, finishes, binding scrapes, neck carves, edge contours, fret end filings, fret slot depths depending on how sharp/dull the blades are, kerfing specs, the bevel on the pickguards, the bracing sizes, on and on. Your entire company is based on cloning pickups that were totally inconsistent, each with different character. Thus, each Kalamazoo Gibson guitar even from the same years having it's own mojo down to every detail, no two exactly the same. Every Heritage I've played demonstrates those "kalamazoo flaws" whether you love the guitar or hate it. I love it. Besides an independent luthier, Heritage was the last in the line which created identical guitar models with such differing character piece to piece. The CNC world is everything in 2018. You want Vanilla, predictability for online buyers, each guitar under the microscope to exacting specifications, go ahead.
  32. 4 points
    All good things have to come to an end. I sensed it two years ago with the last HOC get together in the old factory. So glad my daughter got to see and breath it. She loved re meeting the old gang. Her last visit there was in 1997 on my shoulders. I have been visiting heritage since 1993 . Last year's get together was corporate and sterile. I too was downsized when I was 52 not only does it create a financial hardships it does something to you mentally. You are all in my prayers.. so glad we where part of the golden years at Heritage. Hope we can get together this year party, tell tall tales, laugh and enjoy friendship our way. Peace
  33. 4 points
    This saddens me. I'm worried for all of the master craftspeople that have lost their jobs. As someone who was unceremoniously thrown out of their career in their late 40's and had a lot of trouble finding my footing since, I can empathize with the employees. A few may be able to move to PRS or Collings, but that number will be very small. I fear that there aren't many options for the others. One of the things that drew me to Heritage and the HOC was the sense of family. In many ways, I will miss the friendship of these people who took me in and shared their knowledge with me. Then they were kind enough to break bread with me and share their stories. I was working on saving up for a 535. I'm not sure I see the point of that anymore. I understood why Marv and the others left. They had been at it for a long time. It was time for them to rest. I was uneasy when new management took over. I watched the changes cautiously and optimistically. As someone who lives with major depressive disorder, this was not easy for me. Still, I felt that I somehow had a personal connection to this company. I was looking forward to PSP so I could see what changes were happening. I now realize that the 2017 PSP may have been the last. I hate to sound pessimistic, but it comes naturally to me. I was watching Gibson circling the drain for a long time. Now I realize that Heritage is likely joining them in the same sink. And I feel like my relationship with Heritage is coming to an end.
  34. 3 points
    Me too brother. I need an new camera more than a new guitar. For the price of a very nice used Heritage I could get a new full frame camera and all of the batteries I would ever need. Zeldoom, shop used. You can find very good deals on used Heritage Guitars. As for your English... it is better than mine.
  35. 3 points
    I talked to Marv yesterday and asked him how many Johnny Smith models they made. He didn't really know. He called me back today after talking to Bill and he thought it was a little less than 50. Not exactly a concrete answer but a good guesstimate, if that's a word. Marv said they made a little over 100 Golden Eagle's. They where concentrating on that model a lot.
  36. 3 points
    My incessant plucking at the headstock aside (try it, it's fun! sounds like chimes, too!), I am still a fan of the guitars themselves. I had the H-127 out two days ago. The H-137D (original run, not the pretender with P90s series) is almost always close at hand. The H-127 through the Lyle/Rob Vibrolux, by the way, is second only to the combination of same amp and #3 son's G&L Skyhawk (also original series, with the sickle headstock; well, he continues working that one off, so I guess it's still 68% mine, but you all know how these things go). That amp is magical. But I digress... I'm firmly in the camp of, "yep, the old Heritage has passed", but I'm not firmly in the camp of "this is clearly a bad thing." A quality guitar is a quality guitar and I'm a sucker for value. The "old Heritage" pricing model was a gift, insofar as the absurdly low cost of really well-made new examples artificially depressed the secondary market. The lack of consistency (noted by Rob) also contributed to a non-artificially depressed secondary market. Finding the really well-made units in the used market was an adventure, especially back in 2007 or so. I think for the better part of a couple years the only buyers of used Heritage guitars were me and Brent (mostly Brent)! I'm fortunate to have had the opportunity to get to know the original crew and the good folks of the HOC. At a point pretty early on in the HOC, though, the guitars became a secondary concern for me. I hope the new guard find their own mojo and a sustainable business model too. The Heritage heritage would be a helluva thing to lose completely.
  37. 3 points
    Objectively speaking, the Gibson headstock is "silly." I mean, what the heck does an open book shape have to do with guitar? They built it into a highly recognizable trademark, though. Heritage's headstock is plain, but hardly "ugly." Anyone who is "playing the headstock shape" is stuck on a brand image and probably not reachable. For everyone else, I think the new Heritage is largely on the right path. Look, the founders were going to retire eventually; change was inevitable once that happened. It's just as likely the whole thing could have disappeared, but instead we have a deep-pockets guy who actually wants to make the company survive and thrive. The old Heritage of under-the-radar, cheap custom-quality guitars is gone forever, but that model was never really financially viable and certainly not in the current era of boutique guitars.
  38. 3 points
    Seriously. You go to the Heritage Website where they use all these recycled beautiful artistic shots of salt of the earth seasoned workers slowly handling instruments in Ye Olde Parson's factory location as the sun shines through the windows illuminating the clouds of sawdust in the air. Aesthetically pleasing. When, in reality, it's a bunch of green new hire kids busting their butts in a factory that looks like Office Depot (and, yes, we've all heard the same folks with their shtick of how much improved everything is, this ain't about that). Just own it, don't give curious folks with no clue of the current brand the impression their fiddles are being made by aged builders in the vintage confines. Regardless of anyone's opinion on new vs old Heritage: It's aesthetically disingenuous. There's no problem with keeping the history alive, just put that stuff on a "years past" or historical part of the site.
  39. 3 points
    My 2 cents. I have had the great fortune of having Custom Heritage guitars built under the original owners of Heritage Guitars Inc. and the new owners (Plaza Corp and Bandlab). I have been treated well by both. I have no regrets working with the new Heritage Guitar Inc., in fact it was a pleasure. I encourage everyone to have the experience of working with Heritage Guitars Inc. to get the Custom guitar they have been dreaming of. Did I mention, Pete is Fab. Being negative is never positive. Good Times.
  40. 3 points
    IMO- When it comes to the guitar buying public, if you price an LP and H-150 right about the same, most will opt to buy the “genuine item” and not the “copy”. One of the biggest things that made Heritage special, was the fact that you could get a guitar equivalent or better than Gibson, for a fraction of the cost.
  41. 3 points
    I have always wanted a Les Paul. After learning about Heritage a few years ago, I shifted from Gibson to Heritage. I couldn't be happier. It's a serious piece of equipment. Glad to be in the club! -Roll
  42. 3 points
    Marv started in 1956, JP in 1957 and Jim 1957. So they were 18-19 years old. When Marv was carving necks on the 58,59 60 bursts he was early 20's They guys in the photo with Pete showing off Pressure's Super light look older than their teens. Don't write off the workers because they have less than 30 years under their belt. If they produced Richies super light and Sky 52's Sweet 16 no body should question their skills.
  43. 3 points
    at first I thought it was crappy: but after some thought, I think it is the only way to get Heritage into higher visibility with the larger population of guitar buyers people like us are a very small percentage I can't count the number of guitar playing friends who I have tried to "convert" to Heritage, who don't give the brand much credence, because they don't see them in stores beside GIBSON & FENDER and what about the even larger percentage of non educated, casual guitar buyers? ( like kids' parents etc ) G & F still hold sway over anyone who is only *marginally* familiar with guitar. Because they are everywhere. ( all that free marketing from 1950-1980 or so didn't help either ) at least now, everyone will be able to compare them side by side, and see for themselves
  44. 3 points
    I’m a little late the discussion with the entire pricing conversation but an interesting reality check is to look at an inflation calculator. In 1959 a sunburst Les Paul was $375 and in inflation adjusted 2018 dollars it would be $3.253. A Stratocaster in 1959 would be $200, that same guitar in 2018 would be $1,735, in inflation adjusted dollars. I don’t think you can reasonably expect prices on the ground in 2018 to be less than 1959. Sure there are efficiency increases in today’s production but the materials today are more expensive with more governmental restrictions on everything to Rosewood and nitro finishing to electroplating of metal parts. At best it is probably a wash cost wise to make a guitar in 1959 vs. 2018. If you want a USA made guitar then expect to pay the reasonable price for it. If you want made in Mexico prices then buy an MIM Strat or Tele, they are great guitars, I have several. But I never expect any company to compete with MIM, Korean or Chinese pricing for a USA made guitar.
  45. 3 points
    Twin or deluxe. Kinda underwhelming. Will not do again. Felt like I had wasted my time doing the quiz, I knew that before I did the quiz. The online "are you a sociopath?" test is more fun. I keep doing it to manipulate the results.
  46. 3 points
    I'm surprised this is something up for dispute, but see the following article's last paragraph: http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2015/03/heritage_guitar_co_still_craft.html I have no hesitation in correcting my previous statement regarding healthcare benefits as I just found out there was a special side-deal, not as a general policy which is what I was referring to - only two members of the team had healthcare benefits, of which Arnie was one of them, (his sons may have been covered as part of a family deal) that continued from before the change in ownership. Like I said, this is something we are working to correct so that everyone can have coverage. I can't speak for exactly what was done before 2016 and whether there were other exceptions (but we are getting more details), but as you can see from the article above, Marv and Jim themselves state they hadn't been able to draw a salary since 2006. FWIW, with regards to Arnie and his sons, I am genuinely sad that they chose to leave. It was never the intention for them to not be part of the team on the go-forward, but him and his sons were kind to me and I genuinely wish them every success in future endeavors and would not hesitate to show them (or anybody past, present, future involved with Heritage) support for their new business and next steps.
  47. 3 points
    I understand that Pete came and went a few times over the years. I have never met him. I have seen him once or twice, maybe around 2014 - 2016.
  48. 3 points
    I'm sorry, I need to step in to correct this. There hasn't been healthcare since 2007/2008, providing health care benefits is something we've been working on.
  49. 3 points
  50. 3 points
    Hello from Texas. After spending the weekend at the Guitarlington show helping my buddy, who happens to be a Heritage dealer, and next door to the Heritage booth...well, it happened. I now own a new 535 "Old Style Sunburst." I'm 62, and have had over 120 guitars. (That includes the ones I bought just to flip, back in the day) I've got to say, this is the most excited I've been about a guitar in quite some time. I just can't stop playing it. It's a lot of fun.

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