DetroitBlues Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Gibson gets bashed a lot too . . . and by their fans no less! And that's been going on since long before the inter-web. Guilty... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetroitBlues Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 The best response to anyone criticising Heritage would be to direct them to the Doug and Pat Show pickup shootouts. What do they use as a testbed guitar to compare pickups and 1958 and 1960 Les Pauls? A Heritage H150... Oh, good call!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectrum13 Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 ="SemiHalo" How about a guitar in the shape of one giant headstock? That way people can dislike the entire guitar and not have to say what's possibly good about Because their mind is Semi Hollow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duhvoodooman Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Why?? Because.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetroitBlues Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hbom Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Funny because Hamer went to the fire sale at 225 Parson St. after Gibson left. My friend Dan can attest to that he went along with a few other guys from the Hamer custom shop, they couldn't wait to get their hands on some of that old equipment. Wonder how those guys who are bashing Heritage would feel some of their guitars were made on some of the same machines? Didn't Heritage start after Gibson sold that equipment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davesultra Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Didn't Heritage start after Gibson sold that equipment? Not sure they bought ALL of the equipment. Gibson used occupy a huge amount of that area. The building Heritage is in now is just one of the buildings used during the Gibby days. I'm sure there was a lot to be had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElNumero Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 I think most guitar "brands" get bashed to some degree. But I can honestly say that when I'm playing a gig with my Heritages, I've never once thought to myself "Damn I wish this was a Gibson..." Especially when it is a certain red 535! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemiHalo Posted October 18, 2015 Author Share Posted October 18, 2015 Why not? that is absolutely nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brez9091 Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 I think most criticism of heritage is done out of ignorance. The headstock does seem to be a real dealbreaker for many people i respect though. As a lover of the long 60s Epiphone headstock, I find it beautiful. Not crazy about pointy pickguards, but luckily, it's a harlequin world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolero Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 I think most criticism of heritage is done out of ignorance. The headstock does seem to be a real dealbreaker for many people i respect though. As a lover of the long 60s Epiphone headstock, I find it beautiful. Yes, I would agree with that. But I do like the Heritage pickguards!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gitfiddler Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Many folks don't realize that you can custom order a slightly larger headstock on most models. All a matter of personal taste and preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsoloway Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 My personal belief is that a lot of the negativity on the internet exists for the single reason that people can be negative without any real consequences. As a result, being negative has become an activity unto itself. Very sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrymclark Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 My personal belief is that a lot of the negativity on the internet exists for the single reason that people can be negative without any real consequences. As a result, being negative has become an activity unto itself. Very sad.in my experience, the negativity existed before the internet. We are just exposed to more of it now than we were before. …but totally agree that it has become a sport of sorts. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetroitBlues Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Yes, I would agree with that. But I do like the Heritage pickguards!! I don't mind the Heritage headstock just so long as it isn't silk screen, but actual inlaid logo. Binding helps make it stand out too. I think if Heritage made that a standard feature on their guitars, they complaints would go down. Inlaid logos are a touch of class IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalismanRich Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 I figure that all the naysayers are welcome to their opinions, no matter how ignorant and misguided they might be! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnappi Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Whether it's cars, guitars, firearms, motorcycles or TV's brand loyalty has a way of clouding objectivity. If you look at a guitar collection and see one brand I'd suggest the owner has found their groove and it's a good thing. OTOH, if you see several different brands in a collection I would think the owner has carefully considered their choices and has gotten beyond brand loyalty and again that's a good thing too. Where it falls apart with brand loyalty is the users miss out on potential sounds they can't get with THEIR brand and they do not even know it, worse still they don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gitfiddler Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Whether it's cars, guitars, firearms, motorcycles or TV's brand loyalty has a way of clouding objectivity. If you look at a guitar collection and see one brand I'd suggest the owner has found their groove and it's a good thing. OTOH, if you see several different brands in a collection I would think the owner has carefully considered their choices and has gotten beyond brand loyalty and again that's a good thing too. Where it falls apart with brand loyalty is the users miss out on potential sounds they can't get with THEIR brand and they do not even know it, worse still they don't care. Well said, Gary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HANGAR18 Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Who gives a sh!t what they say on the Hamer forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genericmusic Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Who gives a sh!t what they say on the Hamer forum? What's a Hamer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaywolfe Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I was reading on the Hamer forum today. I don't spend much on forums in general, but the Hamer board conversations are usually reasonable. I was a Hamer dealer until Fender screwed the pooch. I took 'em on because I wanted a Guitar that my Heritage customers could "trade up" to- more of a Boutique type. Although we did OK with Hamer, here's what actually happened quite often- Guy would come in to try some Hamers, try 'em, AND play some Heritage's while here.....and leave with his new Heritage! When I'd inquire as to why (already knowing the answer) they'd almost always say the Hamer is very, very fine, BUT they "sound" kinda bright & thinner than the Heritage, which has that old familiar vintage sound & feel we all love. Hamers are great for heavy Rock, metal & the like......but it's the Blues & jazz players that are focused on purity of "tone", warmth, fat, juicy...etc. Hamers just can't compare for those warm, fat vintage type tones. I'm sure there may be some exceptions and I'm generalizing some here......but this happened over & over again when we did a plug-play-comparison. I actually remarked at one point that it's worth being a Hamer Dealer as it helps to sell more Heritage's. Hamer were super well made I admire them. When they shut down I suggested to Vince Margol that they try to get some of those guys. I have (hoard?) a large collection of Guitars I like. I have zero Hamers in that bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsp17 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I was a Hamer dealer until Fender screwed the pooch. I took 'em on because I wanted a Guitar that my Heritage customers could "trade up" to- more of a Boutique type. Although we did OK with Hamer, here's what actually happened quite often- Guy would come in to try some Hamers, try 'em, AND play some Heritage's while here.....and leave with his new Heritage! When I'd inquire as to why (already knowing the answer) they'd almost always say the Hamer is very, very fine, BUT they "sound" kinda bright & thinner than the Heritage, which has that old familiar vintage sound & feel we all love. Hamers are great for heavy Rock, metal & the like......but it's the Blues & jazz players that are focused on purity of "tone", warmth, fat, juicy...etc. Hamers just can't compare for those warm, fat vintage type tones. I'm sure there may be some exceptions and I'm generalizing some here......but this happened over & over again when we did a plug-play-comparison. I actually remarked at one point that it's worth being a Hamer Dealer as it helps to sell more Heritage's. Hamer were super well made I admire them. When they shut down I suggested to Vince Margol that they try to get some of those guys. I have (hoard?) a large collection of Guitars I like. I have zero Hamers in that bunch. preachin' to the choir Jay. My very first first guitar love happened with the 575MH you sold to me 10+ years ago. She's still my baby and has the "it" of which you speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbonesullivan Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 So, the music shop I take my lessons at has been selling two used Gibby Les Pauls for a while, and now an LP custom has appeared. The supposed creme de la creme of Gibson before you get into the historics. An ebony black beauty (gold hardware) model. They list new for 4800. Damned if I couldn't spot fit and finish flaws all over the damn thing. Sure, perfection is hard, but I would think for an LP custom they would have at least not made any errors with the binding. no such luck. My SG supreme also has some issues, as did my SG Standard. I'm tired of hearing how great Gibson is, when honestly they don't even put out something that is really great. If I'm paying close to $5000 for a guitar it better be damned near perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polo Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 So, the music shop I take my lessons at has been selling two used Gibby Les Pauls for a while, and now an LP custom has appeared. The supposed creme de la creme of Gibson before you get into the historics. An ebony black beauty (gold hardware) model. They list new for 4800. Damned if I couldn't spot fit and finish flaws all over the damn thing. Sure, perfection is hard, but I would think for an LP custom they would have at least not made any errors with the binding. no such luck. My SG supreme also has some issues, as did my SG Standard. I'm tired of hearing how great Gibson is, when honestly they don't even put out something that is really great. If I'm paying close to $5000 for a guitar it better be damned near perfect. Word. At this point in the game I simply can't take non-custom shop Gibby's too seriously anymore. Sure they may look the part and even sound great.....but then I remember they were basically built by a machine and there's like 2 million of them on the planet. No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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